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Announcing the ViviFire programming language

 
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PostPosted: Feb 24th, 2012, 8:02am    Post subject: Announcing the ViviFire programming language Reply with quote

Hello,

I am announcing today that ViviFire will no longer be an IDE. Instead, it will be a programming language.

The syntax will be BASIC-like -- mainly inspired by Liberty BASIC and Run BASIC. However, don't expect much compatibility with LB or RB.

Currently, I am in the planning phase. Nothing is certain, but I pretty much know what direction I want to go in.

ViviFire will provide multiple paradigms. I am hoping most, if not all of the following:
But don't let the list above scare you. It is my intention that ViviFire will make using these techniques more natural than most languages out there.

ViviFire will be compiled to machine code and should be able to target multiple platforms. The language will be coded in C++. The IDE will most likely be coded in ViviFire. All of the code will be open-source.

I have no idea how long this will take. It could take many years to get to version 1.0. I've heard that Smalltalk took 7 years, but then those guys didn't have the tools we have today.

If you are interested, please let me know what you can do. I am seeking people willing to give their opinions on my designs, and eventually testers.

Thanks

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PostPosted: Feb 24th, 2012, 8:29am    Post subject: Re: Announcing the ViviFire programming language Reply with quote

I am not much into C++, since I almost only use plain ANSI C (no COM).

Could help with testing.

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PostPosted: Apr 13th, 2012, 3:46pm    Post subject: Re: Announcing the ViviFire programming language Reply with quote

Have you looked at BaCon, Brent? If yes, thoughts?

http://www.basic-converter.org/
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BaCon is a free BASIC to C converter for Unix-based systems. The following design goals were followed:
Must run on each Unix/Linux/BSD platform, including MacOSX
Converted sourcecode must be compilable with GCC
Must resemble genuine BASIC with implicit variable delarations
Spoken language constructs are preferred

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PostPosted: Apr 13th, 2012, 4:48pm    Post subject: Re: Announcing the ViviFire programming language Reply with quote

Alyce, I don't recall ever hearing of the project before you mentioned it. From my quick skimmings, it certainly looks interesting. However, it likely has the same issues that most such high-level converters can have.
  • It relies on GCC, which comes with most *nix systems, but has to be downloaded and properly configured on Windows.
  • The conversion is not always perfect, resulting in GCC errors.
  • GCC is "notorious" for its bad error messages.
  • Thus, the converter can require quite a bit of knowledge of the target language/compiler.

My plan for VF is to use the LLVM back-end which has its own low-level platform-independent intermediate representation (IR) instead of a high-level language like C or C++. The IR gets converted to machine code. The main advantage of doing it this way is that the steps can directly communicate and influence which steps will follow in order to best optimize the resulting machine code.

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PostPosted: Apr 14th, 2012, 10:53am    Post subject: Re: Announcing the ViviFire programming language Reply with quote

Brent wrote:
It relies on GCC, which comes with most *nix systems, but has to be downloaded and properly configured on Windows.

I use the MinGW distribution of GCC and can't remember having any configuration issues when installing it; as far as I can recall it worked 'out of the box':

http://www.mingw.org/

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PostPosted: Apr 14th, 2012, 11:04am    Post subject: Re: Announcing the ViviFire programming language Reply with quote

Brent wrote:
instead of a high-level language like C or C++.


My inexperience is showing. I always thought C was considered to be a mid-level language.

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